Beyond Yacht Rock

The guys who made the internet show Yacht Rock talk about music other than Yacht Rock.


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JD Ryznar is a Hollywood writer. He knows very little about music, but enjoys imagining elaborate scenarios inspired by popular songs.

David B Lyons is a Hollywood Location Manager. He knows a little about music, but feels the need to compartmentalize genres, then rank them.

Hollywood Steve Huey is a former staff writer for, a former talking head for VH1, and currently the only unmarried man on this podcast.

Hunter Stair is from Flint, MI.


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The BYR songwriter series kicks off, paying tribute to the best work of one of the most prolific and successful songwriters of all time.

Show Notes

Intro song: “Because You Loved Me” by Celine Dion (Amazon)

- Horse-faced diva
- Thor’s Hammer
- The “soundtrack to our lives”
- Celine Dion had four No. 1 hits



Yacht Rock Bone Throw: “If You Should Sail” by Nielsen & Pearson (Amazon)

- Reed Nielsen and Mark Pearson
- Lenny Pickett
- On the album: David Foster, Victor Feldman, Jai Winding, Peter Wolf, Maxine Waters, Julia Waters
- Maxine Waters, the California congresswoman
- Pyke (“Game of Thrones”)
- “Beyond Yacht Rock” is coming to San Diego, Calif.!, (Maybe to Austin, Texas!)
- Album “Lost Hits of the 80’s”
- “Radio Daze” series from Rhino Records



Diane Warren
Example song: “Take it To Heart” by Michael McDonald (Amazon)
Second example song: “Lonely Beat of My Heart” by Steve Lukather

Diane Warren writes very profitable hit pop music. Her songs are relatively straightforward, utilizing a simple verse-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus-outro structure that best appeals to mass mainstream audiences. This simple structure also allows for maximum emotional output from the vocalist (or the vehicle), which can also aim the song straight for the top of the charts.

Warren typically writes about the emotionally distraught, a victim who’s surprised to be in a good position, in the middle of a tough time, or trying to rebuild. There are archetypes: The Reassurer (McDonald’s song), The Victim (Lukather’s song), The Grateful and The Advisor. “Me,” “You,” “I” and “We” are standard subjects - these are resonating songs made for huge audiences who could, on some level, relate to the topic at hand.

- Max Martin
- “A week old hoagie”
- Hai Karate
- Michael McDonald’s amazing marriage
- Tin Pan Alley
- Not everything Prince did was genius


10. “I Don’t Want to Miss a Thing” by Aerosmith (Amazon)

- The Grateful archetype
- Diane Warren has written eight No. 1 singles (including this) and 60 songs in movies
- 1999 Best Picture Oscar winner “Shakespeare in Love”
- 1999 Best Original Song Oscar winner “ from “The Prince of Egypt”
- Boyz II Men, Classic bands died with power ballads in the 1990s
- “Just Like Jesse James” by Cher
- 1998 Golden Raspberry nominees for Worst Original Song (winner “I Wanna Be Mike Ovitz!” by Magic Kingdom from “An Alan Smithee Film Burn Hollywood Burn”)
- “Cryin’,” “Crazy” and “Amazing” by Aerosmith (the Alicia Silverstone Trilogy)


9. “Stop Steppin’ on My Heart” by Eddie Money (Amazon)

- The Victim archetype
- Eddie Money album “Greatest Hits: Sound of Money”
- Pine Knob, Michigan
- Big Rapids, Michigan (his 1988 show)
- Ferris State University (its good hockey program)
- Real name Eddie Mahoney


8. “I’ll Be Your Shelter” by Taylor Dayne (Amazon)

- The Reassurer archetype
- Cathy Dennis, Sophie B. Hawkins
- “Taylor Scream”
- A yarl
- Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey
- Taylor Dayne’s dance hitshas acted on TV
- This song is a “Sex Me Up”
- The “na na” chorus
- Originally written for Tina Turner


7. “Blame it On the Rain” by Milli Vanilli (Amazon)

- The Advisor archetype (most famous Advisor archetype song)
- Wait, Rob and Fab didn’t do anything original?
- Corey Glover (Living Colour)
- Frank Farian’s use of the “Paid in Full” beat in every Milli Vanilli song
- The Milli Vanilli dance
- Shippers


6. “Look Away” by Chicago (Amazon)

- The Victim archetype
- Lead singer Bill Champlin
- Europe album “Out Of This World”
- Vangelis
- “The top horse is a blue!”
- “Nice” guys (like in “Look Away”)
- Peter Cetera
- “Oh Sherrie” by Steve Perry
- Billboard’s No. 1 song of 1989



50 States in 50 Podcasts: New Mexico
“Take Me Home, Country Roads” by John Denver (Amazon)

Other New Mexico artists:
- Glen Campbell
- The Shins
- Bo Diddley

- “The Show-Me State”
- John Denver crashed his plane in a coke-filled rage?
- Denver was from Roswell, N.M.
- Janice from the Electric Mayhem
- Denver was a chainsaw-wielding maniac
- Denver had a “tryst with muppet”
- The movie “Oh, God!” (watch)
- 47th state, 1912


5. “Who Will You Run To” by Heart (Amazon)

- The Victim archetype
- Heart album “Bad Animals”
- Van Halen or Van Hagar?
- “Dreamboat Annie (Fantasy Child)” by Heart


4. “When I See You Smile” by Bad English (Amazon)

- The Grateful archetype
- Bad English is Journey (Neal Schon, Jonathan Cain) and the Babys (John Waite, Ricky Phillips)
- Steve Perry
- “Light shows,” which are overseas (Hollywood Steve says so)
- Diane Warren is not locked down


3. “The Rhythm of the Night” by DeBarge (Amazon)

- The Reassurer archetype
- “Nick Rocks”
- The history of the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles (previously Black Singles)
- The movie “The Last Dragon” (watch)
- Sho’Nuff
- Vanity


2. “Til it Happens to You” by Lady Gaga (Amazon)

- The Victim archetype
- Lady Gaga’s performance at the 2016 Oscars
- The movie “The Hunting Ground”
- Jimmy Buffett, Dave Matthews
- “Til It Happens to You” was No. 1 on the U.S. Dance Club charts
- “Til It Happens to You (Remix)”
- Lady Gaga is terrific
- Fellow prolific songwriter Linda Perry (her words about “Til It Happens to You”)
- Just World fallacy


1. “Nothing’s Gonna Stop Us Now” by Starship (Amazon)

- The Reassurer archetype (x2)
- This song was nominated for a Golden Globe and an Oscar
- Co-written with Albert Hammond (the story of the song’s inspiration)
- Grace Slick and Ethel Merman are similar
- Hollywood Steve’s tweet about Grace Slick and Ethel Merman
- “Big Shot” by Billy Joel
- The movie “Mannequin” (it doesn’t stand up)
- R.I.P. Meshach Taylor

Other proposed genre songs:
- “If I Could Turn Back Time” by Cher (the video; “Sam Hill”)
- “I Get Weak” by Belinda Carlisle
- “This is For My Girls” by Michelle Obama