Beyond Yacht Rock

The guys who made the internet show Yacht Rock talk about music other than Yacht Rock.


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JD Ryznar is a Hollywood writer. He knows very little about music, but enjoys imagining elaborate scenarios inspired by popular songs.

David B Lyons is a Hollywood Location Manager. He knows a little about music, but feels the need to compartmentalize genres, then rank them.

Hollywood Steve Huey is a former staff writer for, a former talking head for VH1, and currently the only unmarried man on this podcast.

Hunter Stair is from Flint, MI.


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The guys count down the best from the wizard who made Meat Loaf.

Show Notes

Intro song: “Bat Out of Hell” by Meat Loaf (Amazon)

- Previous Beyond Yacht Rock Songwriter Series installments: Diane Warren, Holly Knight, Desmond Child
- “British accent, donned a period costume, repressed its feelings, and won an Oscar”
- Album “Bat Out of Hell” by Meat Loaf, written and composed entirely by Jim Steinman



Yacht Rock Bone Throw: “Didn’t Wanna Hurt Cha For Another Guy” by Chunky, Novi & Ernie (Amazon)

- Chunky is Lauren Wood
- Zuul the Gatekeeper preparing for Gozer the Gozerian
- “Nagel paintings in the salon”
- Michael McDonald on background vocals (credited as “Mike McDonald”)
- Produced by Ted Templeman
- Doobie Brother on the song: Michael Hossack
- Russ Kunkel played drums on the album; Steve Forman, Lee Ritenour on the song
- Also on the song: Jay “Poopin’” Graydon



Songs of Jim Steinman

Example song: “Bad For Good” by Jim Steinman (Amazon)
Example song: “Total Eclipse of the Heart” by Bonnie Tyler (Amazon)

- Aerosmith, Bon Jovi
- Steinman had two “muses”: Marvin Lee Aday (Meat Loaf), Bonnie Tyler
- Off-Broadway play “More Than You Deserve”
- Album “Bad For Good” by Jim Steinman (original follow-up to “Bat Out of Hell”)
- Penes, not peni, is the plural of penis
- Rudimentary Peni
- Peni is Hawaiian for Ben

A Jim Steinman song is obvious to spot: operatic, made for Broadway. Lines may start with a short, repeated phrase (“turn around”); a gigantic; melodramatic pre-chorus builds to insane heights, the song crash lands with a surprisingly quiet chorus. Steinman’s songs are really long, too. They’re emotional rollercoasters, riding the battle between tenderness and heartache - competing energies.

Meat Loaf and Bonnie Tyler have sang just about every Steinman song publicly available.


10. “Theme to ‘Hulk Hogan’s Rock n Wrestling’” by Jim Steinman

- The second Hulk Hogan song on the podcast
- The TV show “Hulk Hogan’s Rock n’ Wrestling.”
- “Real American” by Rick Derringer (previously used by the U.S. Express)
- “Ravishing” by Bonnie Tyler
- Album “Secret Dreams and Forbidden Fire” by Bonnie Tyler
- “Ravishing” Rick Rude, who used “Smooth Operator” by Sade
- Hulk Hogan’s sex tape
- Hulk Hogan pre-red-and-yellow; “American made”
- Hogan as Thunderlips in “Rocky III” (“Eye of the Tiger” by Survivor)
- “Born in the USA” by Bruce Springsteen
- Wrestling music *is* great

9. “It’s All Coming Back to Me Now” by Celine Dion (Amazon)

- Album “Falling Into You” by Celine Dion
- No. 9 is supposed to be “the punk spot” (The Queers)
- Mountain
- Rene Angelil (RIP)


8. “More” by Sisters of Mercy (Amazon)

- “This Corrosion” by Sisters of Mercy
- De Beers (1990s jewelry commercial)
- “The Jewelry Exchange in Tusten”
- “Post-Modern MTV”
- “Don’t Worry Be Happy” by Bobby McFerrin
- Goth lifestyle
- Carly Rae Jepsen (not a poorly-produced pop singer; her album “Emotion” is great)
- The Cult
- Meat Loaf’s lawsuits with Steinman


7. “Happy Ending” by Yvonne Elliman (Amazon)

- “If I Can’t Have You” by Yvonne Elliman
- “I Don’t Know How to Love Him” by Yvonne Elliman, from “Jesus Christ Superstar” (with Ian Gillan)
- Album “Food of Love” by Yvonne Elliman
- Elliman’s father was a salesperson for Best Foods
- “Casserole Me Over” by Yvonne Elliman
- Carnation Instant Breakfast
- Dane Donohue was in “Jesus Christ Superstar”


6. “Read ‘Em and Weep” by Barry Manilow (Amazon)

- Steinman’s three most important musical moments of his life; Manilow wasn’t interested
- “Read ‘Em and Weep” by Meat Loaf
- Did Manilow invent the power ballad?
- Album “Dead Ringer” by Meat Loaf (All Music review)
- Video for “Read ‘Em and Weep”
- Kenny Rogers and playing cards



50 States in 50 Podcasts: New Hampshire
“Cock on the Loose” by GG Allin (Amazon)

Other artists from New Hampshire:
- The Queers
- The Shaggs
- Adam Sandler

- GG Allin’s birth name is Jesus Christ
- Jesus Jones
- Other GG Allin songs: “Expose Yourself to Kids,” “I Kill Everything I Fuck,” “Needle Up My Cock,” “I Wanna Fuck Myself,” “Suck My Ass It Smells,” “I’m Gonna Rape You,” “Die When You Die When You Die You’re Gonna Die,” “Legalize Murder,” “Ass Fuck’n Butt Suck’n Cunt Lick’n Masturbation,” “Shove That Warrant Up Your Ass”
- Album “Eat My Fuc” by GG Allin
- The Ice Pick
- Wayne Kramer of the MC5 played with Allin
- Dee Dee Ramone played with Allin
- Movie “Hated” about GG Allin, by Todd Phillips
- Photos of GG Allin’s fans defecating on his grave
- Taxachusetts


5. “Original Sin” by Taylor Dayne (Amazon)

- “Rock Me Tonite” by Billy Squier (stupid, weird video; the music-less version)
- Movie “The Shadow” starring Alec Baldwin
- The Taylor Dayne scream
- Steinman cover of “Original Sin” (on the concept album for Pandora’s Box)
- Meat Loaf’s cover of “Original Sin”
- Video for “Original Sin”
- Elizabeth Perkins, Anthony Perkins
- Adam and Eve


4. “Nowhere Fast” by Fire Inc.

- Diane Lane
- Movie “Streets of Fire” (director Walter Hill: “48 Hours,” “The Warriors”)
- Movie “Crossroads” starring Ralph Macchio
- Movie “Crossroads” starring Britney Spears
- “Top Gun” in “Alternative Lifestyles” category
- The Protomen (“Total Eclipse of the Heart” by the Protomen)
- “Nowhere Fast” by Meat Sweats
- “I Can Dream About You” by Dan Hartman (the most Hall and Oates song not by Hall and Oates?)
- Max Weinberg, Roy Bittan on the song
- “Thunder Road” by Bruce Springsteen


3. “Paradise By the Dashboard Light” by Meat Loaf (Amazon)

- Laura Mulvey’s theory of the female form
- “A Quick One, While He’s Away” by the Who
- “I Would Do Anything For Love (But I Won’t Do That)” by Meat Loaf


2. “Holding Out For a Hero” by Bonnie Tyler (Amazon)

- Album “‘Footloose’”
- Movie “Footloose”
- Co-written by Dean Pitchford (“Fame,” “Theme to Solid Gold,” “Don’t Fight It” by Kenny Loggins and Steve Perry)
- “The Boy Who Dances Away Oppression”
- “Footloose” knocked the album “Thriller” off the top of the charts in 1984
- “Oh Sherrie” by Steve Perry


1. “Making Love Out of Nothing At All” by Air Supply (Amazon)

- Kept out of No. 1 by “Total Eclipse of the Heart”
- Album “Midnight at the Lost and Found” by Meat Loaf
- Meat Loaf on “The Celebrity Apprentice”
- Dave and his wife’s first date at an Air Supply concert


Other proposed genre songs:
- “I Would Do Anything For Love (But I Won’t Do That) by Meat Loaf
- “Bring Me the Head of Jerry Garcia” by Iron Prostate
- “Stark Raving Love” by Jim Steinman


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